1 00:00:10,790 --> 00:00:08,629 anyone who has ever 2 00:00:13,030 --> 00:00:10,800 suffered from back pain knows that it 3 00:00:15,110 --> 00:00:13,040 can be debilitating 4 00:00:17,430 --> 00:00:15,120 it turns out unfortunately that 5 00:00:19,590 --> 00:00:17,440 suffering back pain is not just a thing 6 00:00:21,349 --> 00:00:19,600 for those of us who are stuck on earth 7 00:00:23,189 --> 00:00:21,359 there are many long duration space 8 00:00:25,429 --> 00:00:23,199 station crew members who have complained 9 00:00:26,710 --> 00:00:25,439 of back pain during and after their 10 00:00:28,630 --> 00:00:26,720 space flights 11 00:00:30,630 --> 00:00:28,640 the good news is there is an experiment 12 00:00:32,950 --> 00:00:30,640 now underway that's looking into the 13 00:00:35,190 --> 00:00:32,960 cause my colleague lori meggs is at the 14 00:00:37,590 --> 00:00:35,200 marshall space flight center with more 15 00:00:43,670 --> 00:00:37,600 on some early results from the inter 16 00:00:46,630 --> 00:00:45,110 as kids are heading back to school we 17 00:00:47,990 --> 00:00:46,640 start thinking about those heavy 18 00:00:50,150 --> 00:00:48,000 backpacks they'll be carrying and how 19 00:00:51,750 --> 00:00:50,160 they could hurt their backs it's much 20 00:00:54,229 --> 00:00:51,760 the same for soldiers who have to carry 21 00:00:56,150 --> 00:00:54,239 heavy armor and equipment well a similar 22 00:00:57,910 --> 00:00:56,160 thing happens to astronauts when they 23 00:00:59,990 --> 00:00:57,920 return to earth they either return with 24 00:01:02,389 --> 00:01:00,000 back pain some even return with back 25 00:01:04,070 --> 00:01:02,399 injuries dr alan hargens a professor of 26 00:01:06,390 --> 00:01:04,080 orthopedic surgery at the university of 27 00:01:08,950 --> 00:01:06,400 california san diego is studying 28 00:01:11,270 --> 00:01:08,960 astronauts before and after flight to 29 00:01:13,109 --> 00:01:11,280 see why this is happening and what can 30 00:01:14,469 --> 00:01:13,119 be done about it to help even us here on 31 00:01:16,390 --> 00:01:14,479 earth 32 00:01:19,510 --> 00:01:16,400 so we're trying to understand what 33 00:01:21,030 --> 00:01:19,520 happens to the discs and the other 34 00:01:23,990 --> 00:01:21,040 spinal 35 00:01:26,630 --> 00:01:24,000 structures that are around the discs 36 00:01:27,590 --> 00:01:26,640 to help us understand 37 00:01:29,749 --> 00:01:27,600 why 38 00:01:32,390 --> 00:01:29,759 astronauts have 39 00:01:36,390 --> 00:01:32,400 back pain after flight and also 40 00:01:38,870 --> 00:01:36,400 herniation of their discs after flight 41 00:01:40,069 --> 00:01:38,880 that's odd right because there's no 42 00:01:42,149 --> 00:01:40,079 i guess weight-bearing they're just 43 00:01:44,230 --> 00:01:42,159 weightless floating around what 44 00:01:45,510 --> 00:01:44,240 yeah so when they're in space we think 45 00:01:47,749 --> 00:01:45,520 that the 46 00:01:50,149 --> 00:01:47,759 spine is very inactive 47 00:01:51,429 --> 00:01:50,159 it's not not like getting up in the 48 00:01:52,789 --> 00:01:51,439 morning 49 00:01:55,350 --> 00:01:52,799 getting out of 50 00:01:56,789 --> 00:01:55,360 bed and having to bear weight 51 00:02:00,550 --> 00:01:56,799 during the whole 52 00:02:05,429 --> 00:02:03,429 it has very little lows on it so what 53 00:02:09,109 --> 00:02:05,439 we're finding for example is there's a 54 00:02:12,229 --> 00:02:09,119 lot of muscle atrophy around the 55 00:02:13,350 --> 00:02:12,239 lumbar spine and also the cervical spine 56 00:02:15,190 --> 00:02:13,360 or the neck 57 00:02:16,229 --> 00:02:15,200 so how does this relate to folks on 58 00:02:17,110 --> 00:02:16,239 earth i'm sure 59 00:02:19,270 --> 00:02:17,120 you're 60 00:02:20,309 --> 00:02:19,280 just as much interested in helping 61 00:02:22,790 --> 00:02:20,319 problems 62 00:02:24,710 --> 00:02:22,800 on earth as as finding out what's going 63 00:02:27,830 --> 00:02:24,720 on with the astronauts so we think this 64 00:02:29,430 --> 00:02:27,840 applies to children who go to school 65 00:02:31,910 --> 00:02:29,440 with very heavy 66 00:02:34,949 --> 00:02:31,920 backpacks it's like an astronaut coming 67 00:02:36,390 --> 00:02:34,959 back from space and suddenly has a big 68 00:02:38,949 --> 00:02:36,400 load on their spine 69 00:02:41,830 --> 00:02:38,959 scott kelly back on mother earth after 70 00:02:45,190 --> 00:02:41,840 340 days in space 71 00:02:48,630 --> 00:02:45,200 so we are looking at the effect of 72 00:02:50,790 --> 00:02:48,640 these high backpack loads that the kids 73 00:02:52,470 --> 00:02:50,800 have when they go to school and how that 74 00:02:55,990 --> 00:02:52,480 affects their spine 75 00:02:57,030 --> 00:02:56,000 and also soldiers who wear heavy body 76 00:02:59,750 --> 00:02:57,040 armor 77 00:03:03,270 --> 00:02:59,760 and also heavy backpacks 78 00:03:05,990 --> 00:03:03,280 they have a lot of back problems 79 00:03:07,670 --> 00:03:06,000 after they have this exposure 80 00:03:08,390 --> 00:03:07,680 what have you found 81 00:03:11,190 --> 00:03:08,400 so 82 00:03:13,589 --> 00:03:11,200 i think the most important things that 83 00:03:16,309 --> 00:03:13,599 we have found is that there's a lot of 84 00:03:18,790 --> 00:03:16,319 muscle atrophy in the spine 85 00:03:21,270 --> 00:03:18,800 despite the fact that the astronauts are 86 00:03:24,390 --> 00:03:21,280 getting heavy exercise for example from 87 00:03:25,990 --> 00:03:24,400 the advanced resistive exercise 88 00:03:27,350 --> 00:03:26,000 device 89 00:03:30,390 --> 00:03:27,360 right now 90 00:03:33,430 --> 00:03:30,400 there's really no exercises as far as i 91 00:03:35,350 --> 00:03:33,440 know for the neck muscles so 92 00:03:38,309 --> 00:03:35,360 the neck muscles are 93 00:03:40,070 --> 00:03:38,319 losing even more muscle and they're 94 00:03:42,149 --> 00:03:40,080 recovering more 95 00:03:44,149 --> 00:03:42,159 slowly after space flight 96 00:03:46,550 --> 00:03:44,159 than the lumbar spine 97 00:03:48,149 --> 00:03:46,560 so once you get out of your subjects 98 00:03:49,509 --> 00:03:48,159 tested what do you think will happen you 99 00:03:51,589 --> 00:03:49,519 think this is going to continue that way 100 00:03:53,670 --> 00:03:51,599 do you think it's um it differs from 101 00:03:56,470 --> 00:03:53,680 person to person or do you think it 102 00:03:58,710 --> 00:03:56,480 there's a definite constant 103 00:04:00,949 --> 00:03:58,720 so what we're finding is is about half 104 00:04:03,910 --> 00:04:00,959 of the astronauts have significant back 105 00:04:05,190 --> 00:04:03,920 pain after their space flight 106 00:04:08,789 --> 00:04:05,200 so we're 107 00:04:10,869 --> 00:04:08,799 trying to develop better countermeasures 108 00:04:12,309 --> 00:04:10,879 to maintain the spine 109 00:04:15,190 --> 00:04:12,319 in space